Were the Captains and Their Fifties Just “Put to Sleep”?
2 Kings 1:12 says:
“And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.” (2 Kings 1:12)
Here is a question regarding that verse that was submitted to this site:
“I read your article on Elijah and the soldiers etc. and I really appreciated it. In Tim Jennings’ Sabbath School class a couple of weeks ago he was defending his belief that God doesn’t kill, He just puts people “to sleep.” He uses the story of Elijah as an example.
I am having a hard time with that concept. I understand the first and second death and that the first death is a sleep. But I don’t think God did that as there is no reason why He should have had to, as you explain in telling the story. Tim says that therefor no one has died yet; they are just asleep. Okay, but these young men, the soldiers have been asleep for 3000+ years and they never got to live, have a family, etc. Or learn about salvation if they didn’t know. Besides burning someone up is a rather cruel way to put someone to sleep. Can you help me with this one? Thank you so much.” – Rosie
My Response: Good questions Rosie. Let me say first that Tim Jennings has some very good explanations of concepts important to understanding the character of God. I have met him personally and believe he is sincere. He has made a significant contribution which is why he is included as a contributor on this site. Having said that, as the disclaimer on the contributors page says, I do not necessarily agree with everything the featured contributors say. Regarding this question, I, respectfully, see this matter differently than Tim does.
Here are my reasons.
1. The Ten Commandments
These include “Thou shalt not kill.” (Exo 20:13). If “no one has died yet” and “they are just asleep” (assuming you are quoting Tim correctly) then anyone who has killed another person has only put them to sleep and has not violated the sixth commandment.
2. Treatment of Enemies
Enemies were to be treated in a manner that shows love to them and points them to a loving God:
“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;” (Matt 5:44)
I would question whether burning men to a crisp who were just following orders fits that directive. Jesus said “Father forgive them” in relation to men who were nailing Him to a cross. Witness the quite different way in which Elisha (with a double portion of the spirit – 2 Kings 2:9-12) dealt with enemies similarly sent to capture him. (2Kings 6:14-23)
3. Prophets were not Perfect
It is interesting that scripture specifically says regarding Elijah “Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are …” (James 5:17) We tend to think of Biblical prophets as without fault and anything they did must have been correct. But that is not true. See my five-part study starting at Bible Prophets Were People Too on my other website.
4. “The Fire of God”
This phrase really causes problems in people’s minds – “the fire of God came down from heaven” (2 Kings 1:12). However, the story of Job helps to clarify. It says the same thing about the fire that burned up Job’s children:
“While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.” (Job 1:16)
The story of Job gives us a behind-the scenes-look at what is really going on:
“And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.” (Job 1:12)
Satan was given permission to afflict Job and it was Satan that caused the fire to come down as Rev 13:13 shows he is capable of doing. An important principle to recognize is that scripture often says God did something that, in fact, He merely allowed. Read more at https://characterofgod.org/love-takes-responsibility/ and https://characterofgod.org/i-create-evil/
5. Fear is Not from God
Doesn’t this description of the third captain of fifty soldiers sound like he was afraid for his life?
“And he sent again a captain of the third fifty with his fifty. And the third captain of fifty went up, and came and fell on his knees before Elijah, and besought him, and said unto him, O man of God, I pray thee, let my life, and the life of these fifty thy servants, be precious in thy sight.” (2 Kings 1:13)
God does not operate in this way. See the Character of God and the Gospel Glossary for the word “fear.”
“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” (2 Tim 1:7)
6. Why Kill?
Also, as you stated, there was no reason God had to kill these soldiers. In fact, this account has done nothing but make God look bad which Satan has every motive to do.
7. Probation Closed
I have heard the idea that God merely puts people to sleep and when they are raised (woken up) they resume their thoughts and would have opportunity to yet accept God.
It is in this life (which could be called a period of probation) that we are to choose either of two paths. There is no scriptural evidence of any opportunity after the second resurrection at the end of the 1000 years that anyone changes sides. Scripture describes only two general resurrections:
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:28-29)
The first resurrection is also called “the resurrection of the just.” (Luke 14:14)
More details of the timing of resurrections here. For God to end someone’s opportunity to choose eternal life is contrary to scripture. Consider:
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9)
8. The Spirit Behind Such Action
When Jesus was headed towards Jerusalem He was not well-received by the Samaritans. Notice His disciples’ reaction and Jesus’ response:
“And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them …” (Luke 9:54-56)
Jesus was distancing Himself from the attitude that would want to do such a thing and identifying the spirit behind James’ and John’s proposal and Elijah’s action. That seems rather inconsistent with the suggestion that heaven would approve of what Elijah did.
9. Other Biblical Events
There are other stories which raise similar questions such as the story of Ananias and Sapphira, when carefully examined, shows zero evidence to implicate God for their deaths (or, if you prefer, putting them to sleep).
10. Pioneer Writings
Early writers of the SDA church of which Tim is a member also disagree with his position. For anyone who might be interested, see a number of such statements here.
Marilyn Campbell
December 28, 2019 @ 9:36 am
Excellent answer! You also referred your readers to subjects that help clarify this question. God is consistently love. Any time a story seems to see it another way, you may be sure that there is more to understand.
Sandra Peterson
December 28, 2019 @ 12:48 pm
“God’s love is represented as would forbid His destroying the sinner. Men reason from their own low standard of right and justice. . .God is a moral governor as well as a Father. He is the Lawgiver. He makes and executes His laws. Law that has no penalty is of no force. . . The plea may be made that a loving Father would not see His children suffering the punishment of God by fire while He had the power to relieve them. But God would for the good of His subjects and for their safety, punish the transgression. God does not work on the plan of man. Noah would have displeased God to have drowned one of the scoffers and mockers that harassed him, but God drowned the vast world.” (Last Day Events, 240-241)
Roberto
May 4, 2024 @ 3:13 pm
The Bible is full of statements like that, that God sent fire, that God killed, and so on, but when we see what the biblical language means by these statements then we see how God did it. The inspired writings are not bad, and do not need to be rewritten. Inspiration reflects the sovereignty of God and therefore could not be expressed in any other way because nothing happens without God allowing it. What needs to change without a doubt is our way of thinking.
Floyd Phillips
December 28, 2019 @ 3:30 pm
I too listened to that same broadcast and had the same reservations and disagree with Tim’s conclusion. I will add here that Tim defended his position by asserting that because God has the ability to resurrect people then it is not wrong for Him to put them to death/sleep. Yet because we can’t resurrect anyone it makes it wrong for us to kill/put them to sleep.
Again, I find this a terribly weak argument that I don’t believe can stand up to vigorous examination, but it is his opinion. I appreciate this much better explanation of this most troubling story and would also say it applies to the story of Elijah killing the prophets of Baal as well.
It seems Elijah had something going on with fire that tended to go to his head, at least that is how it appears to me. Jesus is the only safe arbiter of what God’s will is when it comes to how people should be treated, and I prefer to side with Jesus’ opinion about Elijah as being the safest to embrace.
Carl Hiltz
December 29, 2019 @ 12:52 pm
Is it possible that at the resurrections, all those that are resurrected from sleep are judged by how they respond; to their reaction to God’s word and revelation? It’s not God the Father (He gave it to the Son) or God the Son that does the judging (He came to redeem) but how the resurrected one accepts or rejects the word brought to them during their lifetime. We were given our free will to confess our decision based on our acceptance or rejection of the word. We judge!
What a loving way for the “Maker” of free will to allow us again to choose. Love and choice what a wonderful dual; all because of His love for us. The result is up to us!!!!!
Don’t know if this is theologically correct but it sure gave me a new view of my Loving God that I never saw before on the final judgement.
Ray Foucher
December 29, 2019 @ 2:17 pm
Yes, Carl, it is possible. God is very big on free will. Without free will there could not be love. Essentially, we are free to judge ourselves.
We are also free to partake in judging God (Rom 3:4) and it is largely our judgment of Him (is He trustworthy? Is He really love? etc) that determines the outcome of our own judgment of ourselves.
Our theology is still developing and so is our understanding of God’s wonderful character. We need to stay in the Word, interpreting it in light of God’s character as revealed during Christ’s life on earth. Jesus described His mission as:
and also described what He did as:
Josiah
January 17, 2020 @ 11:04 am
This is an interesting article and while some of the points made are good ones I find several of the ideas to be very concerning. The author suggests that not everything the prophets do is directed by God, and that sometimes the “fire from God” is simply allowed by God as in the case of Job; given these examples it seems reasonable to conclude that the author is suggesting that Elijah was using the supernatural power of Satan to bring down the fire from heaven and destroy the captains and their 50 men. We as humans, Elijah included, do not innately have the ability to bring down fire from heaven. This means that the fire in question must have come from some type of supernatural source. The author seems to be assuming the conclusion that it couldn’t have been from God. This leaves us to assume that the fire must have been called down by Elijah, a prophet of God, but that Satan is the one who answered Elijah’s call? The idea that a prophet of God could also be a worker of supernatural satanic miracles at the same time is very concerning to me. Jesus says, “No man can serve two masters”. Remember that it is in the very next chapter that God takes Elijah to heaven.
Ray Foucher
January 17, 2020 @ 2:49 pm
Hi Josiah
I can completely understand why you might find this concerning. These are not easy issues to deal with.
Yes, I am saying that not everything prophets do is directed by God. There are a great number of examples of this (see many examples starting at https://www.jesus-resurrection.info/bible-prophets.html). The prophets were people too and fell to temptation at times. It is interesting that the Bible makes a point of saying this about one prophet in particular – Elijah:
However, Elijah was not asking Satan to send fire down. He was responding (I would say inappropriately, to the captain’s order “Thou man of God, the king hath said, Come down.” (2 Kings 1:9) The fact that Elijah responded “If I be a man of God …” suggests that the captain may have given the order in such a way as to insinuate that Elijah was not a man of God. (We do not get the tone of voice or body language from the text.) Elijah’s need to prove his position only demonstrated his doubt about his standing with God (Remember an earlier incident – 1 Kings 19:2-3 – when he ran when threatened by the queen after a great victory.) Elijah certainly did not ask Satan to do it, but the sin of his lack of faith gave Satan the opportunity to carry out the execution and get people to believe that God did it which he seems to have been very successful at doing. We know that Satan can bring fire down as in the story of Job and as he will be involved in doing at the end of time in conjunction with the second beast:
In this incident, Elijah was not serving his master. Was Peter serving his master when Jesus
Finally, when the third captain arrived, God stepped in and told Elijah to go with him and we see that God had no problem with Elijah going to the king.
Most importantly, we need to consider how Jesus responded to a similar desire by some of His disciples to bring fire down as discussed on this page.
Yes, God took Elijah to heaven in order to replace him with Elisha who had more of the spirit of God. Remember, God also took Moses to heaven just after his sin of striking the rock.
Joana D Reis
April 29, 2020 @ 2:08 am
Thank God for his mercies! And to give you wisdom to help us understand how Great He is!
Kevin Straub
January 28, 2020 @ 10:59 am
Good handling of this story, here.
Inspiration also reveals that when God gives over, Satan is given latitude. Satan, unfettered, can attack but will not necessarily do so, as he can keep and use his subjects for his own purposes, maybe kill them later. When he destroys humans it is his specialty to make it appear as though God did it (see GC 589.2).
I believe that in this story, Elijah, believing God to be a “God that answereth by fire” (DA 215.2) would have given these over to the hands of God, not understanding that when folks are given up they are subject to the tender mercies of Satan. Elijah’s ignorance caused him problems and God tried to tell Him more about Himself, i.e., that He is NOT in the fire (1 Kings 19:12).
Nevertheless, what plays out may look one way on its face, but there is a whole lot more than meets the eye. That is what we are all about in this study of God’s character and methods of governance.
Ray Foucher
January 28, 2020 @ 1:54 pm
God tried to explain to Elijah in an illustration how He works. With a little imagination, it could be related like this:
God asked Elijah: “What are you doing here?” (1 Kings 19:9) implying that he should have been back at the palace representing God.
Elijah replied: They slew your prophets with the sword (18:4, 19:10). I tried to take vengeance for you and now I am afraid they will kill me.
God said: Let me teach you my ways of operating. (19:11)
God then portrayed some violent natural phenomena that have often been attributed to Him using to kill people saying that He was not in the wind or the earthquake or the fire. Don’t you think there was a message in there for Elijah?
Then God asked him again: “What are you doing here?” (19:13) and essentially told him: “Get back to work” (19:15)
Several years later, the incident of the captains and their fifties, the subject of this page occurred (2 Kings 1). Elijah, as the story goes, called for fire from heaven to consume the men sent to escort him to the king. Evidently, Elijah had not learned the lesson of the wind, the earthquake and the fire. He was, at that point, operating with the understanding that God would kill people at his command.
After finally getting him to deliver a message to the king, God must have thought something like: “time for Elijah to retire; I’ll have Elisha replace him as my prophet.” And that is exactly what happened (2 Kings 2).